Cliff and Emily talk with Bob Ornelas, recently back from his trip to Spain and Italy. He discusses all the various non-motorized transportation options there and the relationship between motorists and pedestrians and cyclists. Also discussed is the situation of the possible ouster of Alex Stillman from the NCRA board, just weeks after being appointed to it. A lot of political pressure is being put on Eureka Mayor, Frank Jager for casting the deciding vote to get her appointed. The Eureka City Council meets tonight at 6pm. Alex Stillman will a guest on Happy Trails next week, after the city council meets and before the next meeting of the NCRA.